I split the angle and tightened down the set screws. If you don't know about them already, you have some additional other great resources here in Rochester:  the NYSDB group (http://www.nysdb.org/) and Arc and Flame (https://www.rocafc.com/pages/blacksmithing). And maybe consider applying a bit more production value. Propane Forge Double Burner is pre-tuned to develop a natural flame and nozzle is designed to increase the burner efficiency. I use a ball valve to adjust the air and like it. Here I am adjusting the jet to shoot straight down the burner tube. I'll be sure to close the garage door if I ever decide to troubleshoot in the future. It is also a good idea to cover the gas line with some flexible conduit. I did a complete teardown of my burner, cleaned everything and retuned it, moving the flair tube forward a little more than 1/4 inch further than before. Most propane gas forges operate between 2,300°F and 2,700°F. Not sure what changed over time since the forge remains fairly immobile. Obviously this has to be done in such a way as to not ignite the place. Clear editor. Measuring from 0-60 psi, it lets users control their heat with a precise level of accuracy I did watch before and after and it seemed pretty visible on my tablet, but I'm a total noob when it comes to making and editing video content. I've browsed parts of the forum via google search results (mostly on forge construction, and trying to comprehend the basics of combustion) but I have not really done a deep dive yet. Once you get a proper regulator, you can dial down on that flame and save you arm hair. Pete Resseguie-Snyder, I've read quite a bit about forge assembly, but might need to read more about forge maintenance. Coleman Canada: Propane Stove: Instructions for Use: Lighting, p 6. Thanks again for sharing more detail. Instead of burning wood in a fireplace, some homeowners choose to install fireplace logs fueled by natural gas or propane. Please make videos worth the time and yes, money. Used some kaowool for that which I'm a little concerned with; I know it shouldn't get hot enough there to breakdown, but still... Maybe some rigidizer wouldn't hurt? Turn on the propane stove, grill, furnace, heater or lantern using the appliance's fuel knob or flame adjuster control. valve on your propane tank and light. The precise location of this control varies by manufacturer. It serves as additional exhaust and as a place a long workpiece can fit through. For example, turn off a Williams Blue Flame Unvented Gas Heater by pushing in the appliance's gas control knob lightly and turning it clockwise to the "Off" position. If the flame is noisy and appears to be floating off the burner the air shutter should be adjusted for less air flow. In order to build this forge burner, You will need a drill, a set of bits, and a couple of files. The flame for this torch is around 6-10 inches long. If you do, repeat the process until the yellow is almost eliminated. I've been doing this for around 6-7 months so my knowlege is pretty limited. Seriously it's so back lit so we can't tell what the burner's doing till it reaches about medium orange and not much then, seriously I have a better view of the trees through the forge than the flame. Make sure that the area around the forge is free of combustible materials. You Insert a flat-blade screwdriver into the setscrew on the right side of the valve and twist counterclockwise to increase the gas-to-air ratio. By I have seen the pilot on lots of other gas log sets and they're usually around 1/2 inch to maybe 1 inch. My friend and I converted an old natural gas fired brass melting furnace to a 3 burner propane forge and it won’t get hot enough for welding or even hot enough for thicker steel. If you wanted a smaller or larger flame … Casting vs. smithing with a gas forge Upload or insert images from URL. Ask a friend to describe the flame color and intensity in your Heat-n-Glo fireplace to help with your adjustments. A piece of cement board makes a good surface to set the forge on. With the grill off and cool, loosen the screw and rotate the adjustment sleeve. Perfect for Forged In Fire fans. Try cleaning the jet of any waxy residue from the propane, it SOUNDS like it's running a little rich due to low jet velocity. The way my forge is set up, there is a 4" x 6" slot cut level with the deck inside the forge. Turning up the gas pressure once the forge starts heating up will increase the mixture speed down the burner tube and (hopefully) will keep it above the flamefront speed with a hot forge. Tighten the screw and relight the grill. In the case of propane kitchen ranges and house furnaces, adjustment of the flame should be performed by an appliance professional only. The pilot light on my propane gas logs seems very long to me and as a result I suspect it's wasteful too. Measure Your Pressure - The pressure gauge to determine and regulate your propane PSI. A gas flame should be about 1″ to 1.5″ long and should be blue with a white/yellow tip. Note the color and shape of the propane's flame. Ran for about 3 hours solid without any hiccups! Mine seems to be to be way out of whack. And then show you a budget-friendly done for you burner with regulator that is cheaper than what you can buy the parts for! I would use 5 to 10 # propane and 20 to 30 # oxy to cut 1/4" material. Don't know if I need to tune the burner, if there are issues with my refractory, or something else that I might not have considered. https://www.rocafc.com/pages/blacksmithing. Regarding the choke, honestly did not initially have/use a choke until these problems started. Thanks for the welcome, the feedback and thanks for giving it a go with my crap video. What makes a propane torch burn hotter? My favorite burner is 1 1/4" pipe and it works best in a small forge. This was using the blower at full out speed and adjusting the volume of propane for the best flame. Susan Kerr began her writing career as a food columnist in 1987 before moving to business journalism as a reporter and managing editor in the Penn State area. Turn the setscrew clockwise to reduce air flow mixing with gas. Apply the match's flame to the fuel outlet. To adjust the flame, … With complete combustion, an LPG (Propane) gas burns with a blue flame and burns at a temperature of around 1,980°C, as noted on the flame color temperature chart. Not familiar with NYSDB just yet. LPG blue flame colour burns 20°C higher than a natural gas blue flame colour. Any thoughts on where I might be going wrong here? Remove any constricting rim or rough projections in the throat with a round file. The best flame is achieved in the same manner as adjusting an acetylene torch. Since then, Kerr has contributed content to military-related magazines, not-for-profit websites and other online media. As things get hotter, the speed that the flamefront burns through the mixture becomes faster. Turn on the gas and ignite the burner. Please, videos are a LOT of bandwidth and some of Iforge's members are still on dial up connections in more remote parts of the world and it costs them money. They are usually found on the front of kitchen and camping stoves, on the top of propane heaters, and just below the glass mantles of propane lanterns. Move the gas jet in and out (if possible with the burner you have), to get the smoothest flame. This forum is an invaluable well of knowledge. You might have received more suggestions/views, if this was posted in the gas forges section. You need to adjust your fuel/oxy ratio to make the flame hotter and it wil be closer to the tip, maybe a 1/4" of blue would be correct. I also aimed the burner a little more towards the floor of the forge in case it was catching the refractory lining the burner port. Opening the choke re-establishes a fuel/air mixture and this reaches the hot chamber where it ignites and the flamefront travels back into the burner tube. Once in the tube, the tube heats up and the flame speed gets even higher. Yeah, Arc and Flame is a priceless resource. Use the fuel control knob to either raise or lower the height of the flame and to ensure it remains the correct color. Also use a long round file to smooth and clean the interior of the burner tube, same for the jet tube prior to mounting it. Bear in mind that's JUST a guess. My first experience with the forge was not very satisfying. However, with a bit of adjustments and the right airflow, it can be possibly to reach higher temperatures if necessary.   Your link has been automatically embedded. At about 3 min 10 sec, the flame speed became faster than the mixture speed and the flame travelled back into the burner tube. In addition, she writes a weekly column for her hometown newspaper, PhotoObjects.net/PhotoObjects.net/Getty Images. Control The Flame - It allows you to adjust the pressure to control the flame intensity and turn your grill, turkey fryer, or other appliance up to any temperature. Not having enough experience to know what info's valuable and not, I just posted what I shot, hoping maybe the before/after with the sound would be telling. If the problem doesn't occur till 3:10 into the video why make us download and sit through 3 minutes of video for no discernible reason? Be sure the flare, or straight nozzle, is adjusted correctly in conformance with the tuning instructions. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Even with the occasional problems, I'm having blast learning this craft. Closing the choke starves the flame of Oxygen and the flame goes out. If ignition does not occur in 5 seconds, turn the propane off, wait 5 minutes, and repeat the lighting process.   Pasted as rich text. Then you get to the 10 seconds that count and you start moving the camera around wildly so we can't see what's happening. The ORIGINAL HELLS FORGE BRAND ~ MADE IN THE USA! It has been running stable for months, but now after running for around 30 mins, the point of combustion shifts from the interior of the forge, to the end of the flair (about 1 inch inside the refractory). Turning up the gas pressure once the forge starts heating up will increase the mixture speed down the burner tube and (hopefully) will keep it above the flamefront speed with a hot forge. I get less time if I run it hotter. I had about a 20 degree angle from where it was obvious the gas was hitting the side of the burner tube on the top to where it was hitting on the bottom. Another thing for the to do list. The choke gives you control over the primary air and it's usually best to have all primary air to give maximum control. I do sincerely appreciate it. Display as a link instead, × See the flame color temperature chart below. Propane gas is a cheap, clean and efficient cooking and heating fuel. Turn on the propane stove, grill, furnace, heater or lantern using the appliance's fuel knob or flame adjuster control. Don't know if it tells a story, but cutting off the oxygen then cranking it back on kind of "reset" proper combustion, at least some of the time until the forge got really hot. What was the purpose of closing and opening the choke?   You cannot paste images directly. I cover it up with a fire brick when not in use. Turn on the propane and light with a bbq lighter. I'd try to eliminate any gaps between the burner and the forge as far as possible: any air getting in there (secondary air) is air you have no control over. I did plug the burner port more effectively than before. The blacksmith’s forge is an essential component of the blacksmithing trade, and could even be considered the very heart of the metal working process. Light a wooden kitchen match or a spark ignitor. Adjust gas pressure to get a steady flame.Open the choke plate about 3/4 the way. Before shooting the video, I has run for a little over 30 mins. A yellow flame can be the cause of a bad air to gas ratio. It's not that easy to tell with the camera moving about and stuff, but what I think is happening is this: You start with a cold forge and a certain mixture speed through the burner tube. Excited to learn more about why it works (or occasionally doesn't). HellCote 3000 refractory cement and firebricks included with all models. Simond Store Double Burner Oval Knife Making Gas Forge. Let’s get to it! If I use it in my larger forge its a lot more finicky to adjust. Paste as plain text instead, × The flame is over 2 inches long and probably closer to 2 1/2 inches. But if the burner is out of adjustment, the gas flame will be yellow. To adjust the air gas mixture : 1. Routine Inspection It’s vital for your safety that you routinely inspect your forge. Welcome aboard Pete, glad to have you. I like running the torch around 6-8 psi and adjust as needed. Hopefully over time I'll be able to contribute a thing or two. Propane lantern or appliance with adjustment knob. I'm back in business for now. Turn off gas to the appliance according to the manufacturer's directions. It's working great (as far as I can tell) now after some adjustments. Used for everything from lighting an outdoor campsite to heating homes and industries, propane is a fuel that is also very safe when handled correctly. × I have recently built a 3 burner propane forge 8X12X24 long and I am having a bit of a problem. Proper operation of a propane stove, heater, lantern or other device includes regulation of the flame height and color to ensure nearly complete combustion. Gas burners burn blue if the ratio of fuel to air is correct. The furnace has the heavy type fire brick lining it’s interior. Look at them before sending and maybe make another video say in a dimly lit space or outdoors in the evening against a dark backdrop. It’s about 18 inches deep and maybe 10 inches high inside. I've figured out the how for constructing the forge and burner. The best I can do at this point is guess judging by the sound. A … I let it cool for about 15 mins to capture the transition. Along with hacking a propane torch to get more BTU’s, I’ll also show how to build a DIY forge burner with parts easily found on Amazon or at a hardware store. Needs More Air. Using silica sand in a propane fireplace can limit the amount of propane that rises to the surface and decrease the size of the flames. Been spending my few spare hours after work trying to figure out technique but I'll be soaking in some time getting to know the forums. The ANVIL High Performance Burner is designed with a fixed pressure regulator and fixed air damper. Some thoughts on using the LPG (propane) forge, is it not meant to be a definitive guide and it is to be used at your own risk. An air choke valve is present on the top of burner which regulates the amount of air that is mixed with the propane during combustion. Will research, thank you. 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